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Originally posted by WolfmanJack:
Do you know what type of vehicle they were driving? You have my undivided attention. I need to do some sketches for my next "Gangster Car" calendar, and would like info on these guys you mentioned, along with any photos, etc.. that might be available.

thanks!

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Originally posted by Martha:
Will you please tell me more about Ed Newcomb, of Henry Starr & his gang? And about any other Newcombs in Oklahoma history. I know there are Newcombs on the Dawes roll, & have seen Newcombs listed on the Ft. Smith site: one, at least, was charged with murder. I have long tried to trace my Great Grandfather, John W. Newcomb, who was supposedly born in Missouri in 1833. He said that he had a brother, who lived in Indian Territory, who was married to a Cherokee? woman called "Black Jane", & that this brother couldn't leave Indian Territory, or he would be arrested. Thanks, Also, I used to be neighbors with a guy who was related to Belle Starr. He said either his Dad or Grandfather(I believe Dad) remembered being in her house, while she was cooking, wearing an apron and a pistol!

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Originally posted by Martha:

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Hi,

There are two pictures reported to be Henry Starr on page 27. The top photo of two men of which neither one is Henry Starr. The bottom picture on page 27 is Henry Starr.

M.Koch

The man in the photo on the right is NOT Henry Starr. Every picture I have of Starr has those hauntingly dark eyes. Slbbunny

Does anyone have any idea who the man is, if he isn't Henry Starr?

Also, does anyone know what year Ed Newcome went to prison, how many years he was in prison, & what happened to him? Did he live to get out of prison?

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Originally posted by Martha:
Kid Wilson's name was John Wilson. I do think I've read that he was Indian, but I don't know where. He had a brother Jim, who he says was in on the Pryor Creek robbery. This says that Kid Wilson was sentenced 24 years. It doesn't say which prison.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/...lfchaneyarticles.txt

Stillwater Gazette
November 03, 1893
page 2, col 4

"TRAIN ROBBERS CONVICTED
Starr, Wilson and Chaney to Get the Full Penalty of the Law

Fort Smith, Ark. Oct. 28--In the United States court Henry Starr, John
Wilson and Alf Chaney were convicted of the robbery of a Missouri, Kansas
& Texas train at Pryor Creek, I. T. The robbery was committed at 8 o'clock
on the night of May 2, 1893. There were fifteen counts in the indictment
and the jury convicted the prisoners on six. There were a large number of
witnesses and nearly every one identified Wilson and Starr, though only a
few had seen Chaney well enough to identify him. The attorneys for Starr
and Wilson early gave up the hope of saving them, but the fought hard to
keep down the number of counts on which there should be a conviction. A
hard fight was made to clear Alf Chaney. "Kid" Wilson took the stand during
the trial and said that the robbery was committed by himself, Starr, Frank
Chaney, Jim Wilson (the Kid's brother) and two others, whom he knew only as
Bill and Jack, and that Alf Chaney had nothing to do with it. Frank Chaney
and the other two members of the gang are at large. Judge Parker will give
them the full extent of the law."

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Originally posted by slbbunny:
Kid Wilson's name wasn't even Wilson AND His brother, Jim was actually his nephew and his name wasn't Wilson, either. I would love to tell you what his name really was but my family is still guarding that secret even though all parties are long gone. Kid Wilson died after being poisoned by 'Blue Mule', in the 1930's. slbbunny

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Originally posted by Martha:
Kid Wilson's name was John Wilson. I do think I've read that he was Indian, but I don't know where. He had a brother Jim, who he says was in on the Pryor Creek robbery. This says that Kid Wilson was sentenced 24 years. It doesn't say which prison.

http://files.usgwarchives.net/...lfchaneyarticles.txt

Stillwater Gazette
November 03, 1893
page 2, col 4

"TRAIN ROBBERS CONVICTED
Starr, Wilson and Chaney to Get the Full Penalty of the Law

Fort Smith, Ark. Oct. 28--In the United States court Henry Starr, John
Wilson and Alf Chaney were convicted of the robbery of a Missouri, Kansas
& Texas train at Pryor Creek, I. T. The robbery was committed at 8 o'clock
on the night of May 2, 1893. There were fifteen counts in the indictment
and the jury convicted the prisoners on six. There were a large number of
witnesses and nearly every one identified Wilson and Starr, though only a
few had seen Chaney well enough to identify him. The attorneys for Starr
and Wilson early gave up the hope of saving them, but the fought hard to
keep down the number of counts on which there should be a conviction. A
hard fight was made to clear Alf Chaney. "Kid" Wilson took the stand during
the trial and said that the robbery was committed by himself, Starr, Frank
Chaney, Jim Wilson (the Kid's brother) and two others, whom he knew only as
Bill and Jack, and that Alf Chaney had nothing to do with it. Frank Chaney
and the other two members of the gang are at large. Judge Parker will give
them the full extent of the law."

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Originally posted by oldwest:
"I would love to tell you what his name really was . . . "

Come-on, slbbunny, you can do this!

" . . . and he had a dog named Silver . . ."

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Originally posted by oldwest:
slbbunny,

This forum is for the sharing of information; so, tell us all you know about William "Will" Parker (aka Kid Wilson aka Shorty Brennan), and how he died and was buried in the Hatley Family Cemetery at Lindrith (Rio Arriba Co.), New Mexico. I'll bet it's one heckuva good story!!!

I believe there's a photo of him in Glenn Shirleys book "Buckskin and Spurs" (p.171); and, a similar 'artist sketch' from the same photo in "Thrilling Events: The Life of Henry Starr" (p.55).

After his conviction at Ft. Smith, he served time in the Federal Prison in Brooklyn (Kings County), New York.