Q. In referring to those cases in which thc Delawares were interested, ifl understood yon, it was a case in which .voting Crocker was killed. He was killed by Charles Newcomb, a Delaware Indian f—A. Yes, sir.

Q. In the trial Newcomb was acquitted f—A. Yes, sir.

Q. That was before a Cherokee court, was it ?—A. Yes, sir.

<i- Afterwards the sheriff of the district was killed by some of the same party f—A. Yes, sir.

By Mr. William. P. Ross:

Q. By Cherokee Indians !—A. No, sir; by a Crocker. Q. Then afterwards Charles Journey-Cake was killed by a Crocker ?— A. Yes, sir.

By the Chairman :

Q. Was the sheriff'killed by Crocker?—A. Yes, sir.
By Mr. William P. Ross:


Q. After the lapse of some time, Crocker was tried and acquitted ?—A. Yes, sir; I believe so.

Q. Then after a year or two this difficulty to which yon referred at the church in the western part of the district, where one of the Delaware.* w;is carried away and killed by a party consistingof some mixed men— Cherokees and white men—and some of the Delawares on the ground immediately pursued those who committed the deed and killed some ot the parties engaged in it; that was the end of the difficulty, the parties were destroyed ?—A. Yes, sir.

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Does anyone have any information about the assassination of Isaac Journeycake? (not Charles)

Any information about Charles Newcomb, Delaware Indian, killing a Person named Crocker? This Charles Newcomb is a Delaware Newcomb, who wasn't in the NARA records, & not listed in any records I've seen up to now, not that I have a lot.

& where are the Cherokee Court records kept?

Thanks y'all,

Martha

Coker was the Cherokee who killed Isaac Journeycake. 1 think that there was a
mob after Coker, and they went to this house by mistake, burning it down. ...


Okay, the book "Long Journey Home, oral histories of contemporary Delaware Indians" by James William Brown, Rita T. Kohn, says a Coker killed Isaac Journeycake, and if a Newcomb, Delaware Indian, killed Coker, then was it John, or Charles Newcomb, who killed Charles Coker in the Cherokee Nation in 1870? What year was Isaac assassinated? 1875, 5 years after John Newcomb killed Charles Coker.

So, conflicting stories.

Martha

Have you ever check the JourneyCake name over in Osage County O.T., or Kay County Oklahoma Territory or State. I`ve heard it before in discussions over there. More later?

Thanks, Emerson. I'll check it out!

Martha

From the book: "I have spoken." American History Through the Voices of the Indians- compilled by Virginia Irving Armstrong a Sage Swallow Book: Quota from page 127,notes 210, may I quota what I read on Charles not Issac Journeycake?
210 Chief Charles Journeycake of the Delawares was one of the founders of Bacone College,the Indian school in Oklahoma. Inscribed on the cornerstone of the college`s chapel are Chief Journeycake`s words he addressed to the Indian Defense Association meeting in Washington, D.C. in 1886.

Chief Charles Jouneycake says," We have been broken up and moved six times. We have been despoiled of our property. We thought when we moved across the Missouri River and had paid for our homes in Kansas we were safe. But in a few years the white man wanted our country. We had good farms. Built comfortable houses and big barns. We had schools for our children and churches where we listened to the same gospel the white man listens to. The white man came into our country from Missouri. And drove our cattle and horses away and if our people followed them they were killed. We try to forget these things. But we would not forget that the white man brought us the blessed gospel of Christ. The Christian hope. This more than pays for all we have suffered." end of quota- from the Book `I have spoken", compiled by Virginia Irving Armstrong.1971

Martha~Thought! even if you have seen or heard these above words, others may like also.A few other references: Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History of Culture- Bacone Indian University- Muskogee , Oklahoma- Charles Journeycake-1817-1894, A Baptist minister and Chief of the Delaware Indians. Who was of the Delaware, French and Wyandotte descent. His mother was a white captive, who had married Abraham Williams, a one-half Wyandotte Indian. Charles Journeycake had lived in Nowata,O.T., after his death in 1910 a Baptist Church was built in Dewey Oklahoma in his honor. I remember guail hunting on a Delaware Indian family farm in Lenapal,Oklahoma their name could from been Journeycake. I believe the Osage I was thinking about was Hazelbaker not even close?? He to was a adopted son of my Aunt who was a Fullblood Osage,on the roll.

Oh, thank you so much for sharing! I agree with your thought.

"Martha~Thought! even if you have seen or heard these above words, others may like also."

I've been looking for information about the New York Stockbridge (Mohican/Mahican), and also the Delaware in Indian Territory, since some of them went down into I.T. with the Delaware, (looking with my limited resources),for about 5 years, and just when I think there is nothing else for me to find online, I feel like I hit gold!

On Tuesday, Aug 5, 1873, while the general election was in progress, a group of Cherokees tried to kill a Delaware at the polls. The district sheriff and his deputies assumed the role of spectators. No one was killed on that occasion, but in the course of the feud at least four Delaware and four Cherokee lives were taken.

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