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USDM Ransom Payne

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Thu November 25 2004, 10:48 AM
meursault
USDM Ransom Payne
Aboard the train at Wharton robbed by the Dalton Gang. Later photographed at Coffeyville standing between two of the dead Daltons (at least some sources so identify him). Fired by Marshal Grimes for "misstatements of fact." Does anybody know what happened to him? In the early 1900s a Ransom Payne served as the Chief of Police in East St. Louis. Is this the same guy?

--meursault
Sun November 28 2004, 07:39 AM
Diron
Below is what I have on Ransom Payne:

Ransom Payne was born in Iowa and was a nephew of the famous Boomer, David L. Payne. He received a deputy U.S. marshal commission from U.S. Marshal Jones of Kansas to police the Oklahoma District before and after the opening in 1889. He was later commissioned a deputy U.S. marshal in Oklahoma Territory in 1890 at Guthrie. He was alive as late as 1910.
**REFERENCES**
-"Daily Oklahoman", April 22, 1910
-West of Hell's Fringe, by Glenn Shirley, pgs. 48, 50, 56-57, 59-61, 80, 378-381
-Smith's 1890 Territorial Directory
-Oklahoma Supreme Court Network Website, Payne v. Long-Bell Lumber Co., 1900 OK 34,60 P. 235, 9 Okla. 683
-Oklahoma Supreme Court Network Website, Payne v. Foster, 1893 OK 17, 33 P. 424


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Mon March 12 2012, 12:07 PM
Tower
This Friday, the 16th of March, three tombstones will be laid near Fredrick, Oklahoma. The first will mark the grave site of Frank Ford in the city cemetery. Ford was the first individual executed after statehood; the hanging taking place at Fredrick, June 12, 1908 and was performed by Sheriff Frank C. Carter. Ford’s crime was the murder of his wife motivated by jealousy. The second stone will be for Jim Harbolt, a noted outlaw of Indian and Oklahoma Territory. This ceremony will take place at the Deep Red cemetery north and east of Fredrick. The third, for Ransom Payne, will be at the Snyder city cemetery. Payne came to Oklahoma from Indiana to participate in the 1889 Oklahoma land run. From then until 1901, he served as a deputy United States marshal. He then staked a claim near Snyder where he made his home until his death in March, 1937.
Mon March 12 2012, 02:11 PM
meursault
Thanks, Mike, for the information. An interesting footnote to Ransom Payne's land filings is that in the 1889 rush he was a deputy marshal assigned to patrol the land and prevent sooners from entering. This gave him an advantage in filing for some choice plots near (if I recall correctly) Guthrie. This turned into a huge lawsuit, and eventually reached the US Supreme Court, who held that Payne could not use his position as a deputy marshal to gain any filing advantage. See:

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/...Opinion_of_the_Court

--meursault
Tue March 13 2012, 06:15 AM
Tower
Yeah, and he wasn't the only one. In fact, Marshal Jones of Kansas, whose deputies were taking advantage, lost his job over their actions.
Tue March 29 2016, 05:29 PM
SGT ROY E. PAYNE
REF THE RANSOM PAYNE THAT WAS CHIEF OF POLICE AT EAST ST LOUIS BETWEEN 1913-1917, HE WAS BORN IN FRANKLIN COUNTY ILLINOIS IN THE LATE 1860'S. HE BECAME A POLICE OFFICER IN EAST ST LOUIS IN 1905. IN 1908 HE AND THE CHIEF OF DETECTIVES GILL WERE SHOT BY A BURLAR UPON RESPONSING TO A CALL. DET GILL WAS KILLED AND RANSOM WAS SERIOUSLY WOUNDED. RANSOM PAYNE WAS CHIEF OF POLICE DURING THE INFAMOUS RACE RIOT OF 1917 IN EAST ST LOUIS. RAMSON DIED IN 1944 IN EAST ST LOUIS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE HE IS NO KIN TO THE OTHER RANSOM PAYNE. I AM POLICE CHIEF RANSOM PAYNE'S GREAT NEPHEW, AND AM A RETIRED STREET SERGEANT WITH THE MT VERNON, IL POLICE DEPT, SERVING FROM 1973-1994. (RET) SGT ROY E. PAYNE.

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